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#1 2010-01-14 19:57

Kneon
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2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

BOOM! Studios Disney Comics | Direct Market Numbers
Please keep in mind these ICv2 numbers are an estimate of the number of books sold to comic specialty shops by Diamond distribution, and don't account for sales through any other outlets Boom may/may not have tapped (retail stores, Disney theme parks, etc.) or possible reprints that were sold through Haven Distribution. Also, since this board is focused primarily on Ducks and Mice, I've only included the numbers for standard character titles, not the Pixar or Muppets titles.

ICv2 September 2009 actual sales
(source: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/16022.html)

Mickey Mouse and Friends #296 | 6,340 copies


ICv2 October 2009 actual sales
(source: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/16243.html)

Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #699 | 6,679 copies
Uncle Scrooge #384 | 5,835 copies


ICv2 November 2009 actual sales
(source: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/16433.html
and http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/16434.html)


Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #700 | 5,634 copies
Donald Duck and Friends #347 | 5,462 copies
Uncle Scrooge #385 | 5,232 copies
Mickey Mouse and Friends #297 | 5,196 copies
Walt Disney's Christmas Classics Hardcover GN | 739 copies


ICv2 December 2009 actual sales
(source: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/16618.html)

Uncle Scrooge #386 | 4,846 copies
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #701 | 4,885 copies
Mickey Mouse and Friends #298 | 4,761 copies
Donald Duck and Friends #348 | 4,571 copies

EDIT: Added ICv2 January numbers on 02.14.10

ICv2 January 2010 actual sales
(source: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/16810.html
and http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/16811.html)


Uncle Scrooge #387 | 4,604 copies
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #702 | 4,567 copies
Mickey Mouse and Friends #299 | 4,542 copies
Donald Duck and Friends #349 | 4,502 copies
Donald Duck and Friends #350* | 3,924 copies
Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck Vol. 1 Hardcover GN | 1,120 copies
(*Don't know why two issues of DDF shipped this month... delay?)

EDIT: Added ICv2 February numbers on 03.11.10

ICv2 February 2010 actual sales
(sources: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/17020.html
and http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/17021.html)


Wizards of Mickey #1 | 5,055 copies
Disney's Hero Squad #1 | 4,557 copies
Uncle Scrooge #388 | 4,311 copies
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #703 | 4,233 copies
Donald Duck and Friends #351 | 3,801 copies
Mickey Mouse Classics Vol. 1 Hardcover GN | 785 copies
Wizards of Mickey Vol. 1 Softcover GN | 756 copies
Walt Disney's Valentine's Classics Hardcover GN | 383 copies
Wizards of Mickey Vol. 1 Hardcover GN | 358 copies

EDIT: Added ICv2 March 2010 numbers on 04.13.10

ICv2 March 2010 actual sales
(sources: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/17243.html
and http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/17244.html)


Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #704 | 3,917 copies
Uncle Scrooge #389 | 3,906 copies
Wizards of Mickey #2 | 3,704 copies
Disney's Hero Squad Vol. 1 Softcover GN | 743 copies
Donald Duck Classics Vol. 1 Hardcover GN | 733 copies
(NOTE: Neither Disney's Hero Squad #2 or Donald Duck and Friends #352 made the Top 300 list, so I cannot get you sales figures for those books -- sorry!)

EDIT: Added ICv2 April 2010 numbers on 05.14.10

ICv2 April 2010 actual sales
(sources: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/17449.html
and http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/17450.html)


Uncle Scrooge #390 | 3,747 copies
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #705 | 3,497 copies
Donald Duck and Friends #353 | 3,107 copies
The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck Vol. 2 Hardcover GN | 1,043 copies
Uncle Scrooge: The Hunt For Old Number One Softcover GN | 1,015 copies
Donald Duck and Friends: Double Duck Vol. 1 Softcover GN | 834 copies
(NOTE: Neither Disney's Hero Squad #3 or Wizards of Mickey #3 made the Top 300 list, so I cannot get you sales figures for those books -- sorry!)

EDIT: Added ICv2 May 2010 numbers on 06.19.10

ICv2 May 2010 actual sales
(sources: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/17679.html
and http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/17680.html)


Uncle Scrooge #391 | 3,677 copies
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #706 | 3,655 copies
Donald Duck and Friends #354 | 3,074 copies
(NOTE: Neither Disney's Hero Squad #4 or Wizards of Mickey #4 made the Top 300 list, so I cannot get you sales figures for those books -- sorry!)

ICv2 June 2010 actual sales
(sources: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/17860.html
and http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/17861.html)


EDIT: Added ICv2 June 2010 numbers on 07.13.10

Darkwing Duck #1 | 6,300 copies
Disney's Alice in Wonderland GN | 1,558 copies
Wizards of Mickey Vol. 2 Softcover | 529 copies

And now for something completely confusing...

Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck Companion Vol. 2 (Gemstone edition) | 420 copies

(NOTE: This month sees an overall spike in monthly comics sales, as even the lowest spot in the Top 300 moved 4,528 copies. I'm assuming all other Boom! Duck and Mouse comics sold less than that based on their absence, but cannot get you exact numbers -- sorry!)

EDIT: Added ICv2 July 2010 numbers on 08.18.10

ICv2 July 2010 actual sales
(sources: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/18166.html
and http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/18167.html)


Darkwing Duck #2 | 5,396 copies
Uncle Scrooge #393 | 3,715 copies
Mickey Mouse and the World to Come GN | 652 copies
Disney's Hero Squad Vol. 2 GN | 491 copies
(NOTE: None of the other monthly Mouse and Duck books made the Top 300 list, so I cannot get you sales figures for those books -- sorry!)

EDIT: Added ICv2 August 2010 numbers on 09.16.10

ICv2 August 2010 actual sales
(sources: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/18350.html
and http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/18351.html)


Darkwing Duck #3 | 6,355 copies
Uncle Scrooge #394 | 3,610 copies
Walt Disney's Comics & Stories #709 | 3,224 copies
Donald Duck and Friends #357 | 3,055 copies
Uncle Scrooge: Around the World in 80 Bucks GN | 740 copies

ICv2 September 2010 actual sales
(source: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/18551.html)

Darkwing Duck #4 | 6,658 copies
(NOTE: Despite overall low comic sales this month, the lowest spot in the Top 300 moved over 4,700 copies. I'm assuming all other Boom! Duck and Mouse comics sold less than that based on their absence, but cannot get you exact numbers -- sorry!)
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Gemstone Publishing Disney Comics | Direct Market Numbers
If anyone's interested, here are some Diamond numbers for Gemstone's books to compare 'n contrast. These are based off CBG's numbers (as opposed to ICv2), so I can't attest to accuracy, and they seem to be missing some of the last issues (possibly due to the sporadic publishing schedule?)

It's interesting to note that these numbers would still earn most of the Gemstone books a place in the Diamond Top 300 in 2009/2010.

Mickey Mouse and Friends
http://www.comicbookpage.com/SalesEstim … %20Friends

Donald Duck and Friends
http://www.comicbookpage.com/SalesEstim … %20Friends

Uncle Scrooge
http://www.comicbookpage.com/SalesEstim … %20Scrooge

Walt Disney's Comics and Stories
http://www.comicbookpage.com/SalesEstim … %20Stories

Walt Disney's Christmas Parade
http://www.comicbookpage.com/SalesEstim … s%20Parade

Walt Disney's Vacation Parade
http://www.comicbookpage.com/SalesEstim … n%20Parade

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#2 2010-01-14 21:07

zapjones
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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

how do the numbers for new titles like Incredibles, Toy Story  and Muppet Show compare?

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#3 2010-01-14 21:41

Kneon
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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

zapjones wrote:

how do the numbers for new titles like Incredibles, Toy Story  and Muppet Show compare?

At a glance, it seems like the Pixar/Muppets titles generally sell about 1,000/month more copies.

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#4 2010-01-14 22:05

Stefan
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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

Kneon wrote:

Now, please keep in mind these ICv2 numbers are books sold to comic specialty shops by Diamond distribution, and don't account for sales through any other outlets Boom may/may not have tapped (retail stores, Disney theme parks, etc.) or possible reprints that were sold through Haven Distribution.

Not sure if it is true, but someone wrote that Gemstone's numbers didn't include issues distributed by Diamond to non-US comic shops. Boom only allows US (and Canadian?) shops to order the comics from Diamond, though, so I assume that Boom's Diamond numbers are complete, whereas Gemstone's Diamond numbers are incomplete.

Also keep in mind that all Gemstone issues (except for Donald/Mickey and Friends) had an ISBN, so they could be purchased from lots of different Internet book stores in various countries. On the other hand, many Boom issues do not have an ISBN, so they can probably only be ordered directly from Boom and from Diamond. Since there are fewer distribution channels, I would assume that some people who would order them from e.g. Amazon now get Diamond-distributed issues instead, and this would make the Diamond numbers slightly higher, although the total numbers actually might be lower.

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#5 2010-01-15 03:17

Kneon
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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

Good point about the ISBN number. Couldn't tell you what kinds of numbers Gemstone sold through Amazon, etc. Books with ISBN numbers also have a longer lifespan and aren't limited to a month-long shelf life. I'm guessing that would likely explain all these (admittedly gorgeous) hardcover collections.

It should also be stressed that for an independent comics publisher publishing non-superhero material in the direct market, these numbers are really not bad at all. It's just the nature of the industry right now. The top selling Marvel and DC books may move hundreds of thousands of copies, but once you're out of the Top 5, things drop off very quickly. Boom has several books in Diamond's Top 300, in fact -- I'm just a little sad that the books featuring the Disney standard characters aren't selling as well as other books in their kids' line.

Still, all of this is a far, far cry from what Egmont sells. Aren't we talking 300,000 plus copies of Donald Duck every WEEK? Marvel and DC would lose their collective minds to sell that many books!

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#6 2010-01-15 13:57

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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

It sounds like Boom is doing better than Gemstone.  It's too bad I can't find any place in my city that sells them.

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#7 2010-01-15 14:20

rodney
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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

Have you asked your comic shop to order them for you?  In the current market, most shops aren't keen on turning away business and will order specific things for customers.

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#8 2010-01-15 14:33

Stefan
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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

Kneon wrote:

Aren't we talking 300,000 plus copies of Donald Duck every WEEK?

I have found some figures for Scandinavia:

Denmark: 85,000 / 446,000
Norway: 125,000 / 766,000
Sweden: 130,000 / 550.000

Numbers given are the total number of copies printed and the total number of readers. It doesn't tell how many of the printed copies they actually sell, and it doesn't tell how they calculate the total number of readers.

So in total there are 340,000 weeklies printed each week in Scandinavia. Additionally, Egmont is publishing weeklies and monthlies in various other countries, such as Germany, Poland, Russia and China. Don't know where to find any figures for those weeklies.

Egmont seems to be printing almost 20 times as many copies as Boom for the Swedish market alone, although the Swedish population is less than 1/30 of the US population. Additionally, Boom is also serving the Canadian population with Disney comics.

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#9 2010-01-15 14:45

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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

Stefan wrote:

Egmont seems to be printing almost 20 times as many copies as Boom for the Swedish market alone, although the Swedish population is less than 1/30 of the US population. Additionally, Boom is also serving the Canadian population with Disney comics.

That's incredible!

In the 1980s, Marvel used to cancel books that sold under 400,000 copies per month. In today's direct market, breaking 100,000 often puts you at the #1 sales spot. It wasn't uncommon for Gladstone to sell 80,000-100,000 issues in the 1980s, and they were selling far, far fewer books than Marvel or DC.

Compare this to Disney Adventures magazine which was, I believe, still selling 1 million books a month when it was unceremoniously CANCELLED a year or two ago. sad But DA was available in practically every grocery store and Walmart in America, whereas most comic books can only be purchased in a comic book specialty shop. (I think another digest sized Disney comic would sell insanely well if distributed through the same channels, but doubtful it'll happen anytime soon.)

Roger & rodney: Both of the comic shops in my area have gone out of business in the past few years. The only way I can get "floppy" books is to drive over an hour to the next closest shop or order them online (and pay shipping that's often a higher price than the book itself!) So I prefer graphic novels/trades not only because of the format itself, but because I can order them off Amazon and get free shipping with my Prime membership. wink

I lived in another city across the state when I was working for Gemstone, and would you believe that none of the comic shops there carried the Gemstone books either? The shop owners told me they simply didn't sell because of the cover price. sad

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#10 2010-01-15 16:59

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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

Recently, I had to actually get on the pull list at my LCS because Scrooge and Donald have been selling out.....there are about 5 or 6 strong LCS's in my area that all carry Boom stuff now.....I do remember when those titles were at Gemstone, only 1 shop had them and I got frustrated because they would only order about 3 copies and I didn't want  a pull list for 1 issue, and many times, they would run out......I just ended up getting a subscription, (which was a mistake,) because my postman would bend the Gemstone issues, even though my post box was very large..


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#11 2010-01-15 18:06

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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

The German weekly Micky Maus reached its all-time high at the beginning of the 1990s (shortly after the reunification), when the number was around 800.000, afaik. By now it has reached the all-time low of 172.074 sold copies.

Anyway: 6000 out of 308.000.000 - that is hard to believe!

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#12 2010-01-15 19:10

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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

sirredknee wrote:

The German weekly Micky Maus reached its all-time high at the beginning of the 1990s (shortly after the reunification) when the number was around 800.000, afaik. By now it has reached the all-time low of 172.074 sold copies.

No. 10/1998, with Mickey and Goofy as "Men in Black" on the cover (Inducks), was allegedly the top-selling issue of all times, with more than a million sold copies. The fall from this high crest came soon and fast ...


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#13 2010-01-15 21:56

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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

Finnish Aku Ankka (Donald Duck): 324 500 copies sold each week (LT Finnish Audit Bureau of Circulations, 2008) with 1 072 000 readers. Population 2009: 5 326 314.
http://www.levikintarkastus.fi/levikint … ns2008.pdf (scroll down to "Comics").

Timo

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#14 2010-01-15 22:29

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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

I really should travel to Finland some day. Just for the fun of taking a bus ride and watching all those Finns reading their Aku Ankka. wink


"Yay! Germany! That's near Holland!" (Dutch Duckfan Down Under)

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#15 2010-01-16 02:01

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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

timoro wrote:

Finnish Aku Ankka (Donald Duck): 324 500 copies sold each week (LT Finnish Audit Bureau of Circulations, 2008) with 1 072 000 readers. Population 2009: 5 326 314.
http://www.levikintarkastus.fi/levikint … ns2008.pdf (scroll down to "Comics").

Timo

One out of every 5 Finns reads Akku Ankka!!!  It is more popular in Finland than any Disney magazine ever was in USA, Canada, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, The Netherlands, Italy Germany and Latin America (and probably everywhere else in The World).  Who could ever have predicted that in 1929, when Mickey Mouse was created?


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#16 2010-01-16 02:59

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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

Robb_K wrote:

timoro wrote:

Finnish Aku Ankka (Donald Duck): 324 500 copies sold each week (LT Finnish Audit Bureau of Circulations, 2008) with 1 072 000 readers. Population 2009: 5 326 314.
http://www.levikintarkastus.fi/levikint … ns2008.pdf (scroll down to "Comics").

Timo

One out of every 5 Finns reads Akku Ankka!!!  It is more popular in Finland than any Disney magazine ever was in USA, Canada, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, The Netherlands, Italy Germany and Latin America (and probably everywhere else in The World).  Who could ever have predicted that in 1929, when Mickey Mouse was created?

There's no single magazine (comic book or otherwise) even close to that kind of readership* in the U.S. Absolutely amazing...

*meaning, 1/5 of the U.S. population reading it... not the actual circulation numbers.

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#17 2010-01-16 11:37

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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

I applaud the Finns, who seem to know the really important stuff in life! olivier2/happy

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#18 2010-01-16 17:22

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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

I don't go to comic shops as much as I used to but if I do maybe I will ask for them.

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#19 2010-01-17 20:10

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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

Polish weekly "Kaczor Donald" sells 48 814 copies.
Polish monthly "Miki Max" sells 31 040 copies.

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#20 2010-01-18 03:10

Roger North
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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

Kneon wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Egmont seems to be printing almost 20 times as many copies as Boom for the Swedish market alone, although the Swedish population is less than 1/30 of the US population. Additionally, Boom is also serving the Canadian population with Disney comics.

That's incredible!

In the 1980s, Marvel used to cancel books that sold under 400,000 copies per month. In today's direct market, breaking 100,000 often puts you at the #1 sales spot. It wasn't uncommon for Gladstone to sell 80,000-100,000 issues in the 1980s, and they were selling far, far fewer books than Marvel or DC.

Compare this to Disney Adventures magazine which was, I believe, still selling 1 million books a month when it was unceremoniously CANCELLED a year or two ago. sad But DA was available in practically every grocery store and Walmart in America, whereas most comic books can only be purchased in a comic book specialty shop. (I think another digest sized Disney comic would sell insanely well if distributed through the same channels, but doubtful it'll happen anytime soon.)

Roger & rodney: Both of the comic shops in my area have gone out of business in the past few years. The only way I can get "floppy" books is to drive over an hour to the next closest shop or order them online (and pay shipping that's often a higher price than the book itself!) So I prefer graphic novels/trades not only because of the format itself, but because I can order them off Amazon and get free shipping with my Prime membership. wink

I lived in another city across the state when I was working for Gemstone, and would you believe that none of the comic shops there carried the Gemstone books either? The shop owners told me they simply didn't sell because of the cover price. sad

That's awful Kneon. I guess there are a lot of  Cities that don't sell Disney Comics.

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#21 2010-01-18 18:47

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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

Robb_K wrote:

One out of every 5 Finns reads Akku Ankka!!!  It is more popular in Finland than any Disney magazine ever was in USA, Canada, Denmark, .......

We are duck nation. Well yes... or not. Either way, I just learned that we will not have extra additional boxes to the Collected Works of Carl Barks. :-(
Is the Norwegian version of the extra books the only ones that might be available to all?

Timo

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#22 2010-01-18 20:31

Coolwater
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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

timoro wrote:

We are duck nation. Well yes... or not. Either way, I just learned that we will not have extra additional boxes to the Collected Works of Carl Barks. :-(
Is the Norwegian version of the extra books the only ones that might be available to all?

Hmm, is that really definite in Finland? With respect to a possible German edition of the additional material, an Ehapa official promised two months ago that one was "in dialogue with our colleagues in Scandinavia and that we will not make a decision on a 'completion' of the CBC until everything of the material is on hand there and home and dry" (source). So far neither yes nor no ...


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#23 2010-01-18 21:02

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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

Roger North wrote:

That's awful Kneon. I guess there are a lot of  Cities that don't sell Disney Comics.

I think Boom has been successful in getting their books into more stores that didn't sell Gemstone's, but for many years it was very difficult for me to find books I worked on unless I ordered them online. Frustrating!

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#24 2010-01-18 22:19

Stefan
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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

timoro wrote:

Is the Norwegian version of the extra books the only ones that might be available to all?

Anyone can order the Norwegian books. Egmont in Oslo has no problems sending the Norwegian books to Sweden or Denmark (and probably not to Finland either). Norway is the only country getting all six books. The main problem is that you have to send the payment to a Norwegian bank account, which can be quite expensive. My bank wants some money from me for sending the money, and Egmont's Norwegian bank wants some money from Egmont for receiving the money. My solution was to open a bank account in Norway. There has been a discussion between non-Norwegian recepients of the Norwegian books at the DDF(R) forum, and the interesting part starts somewhere around here (mixture of Swedish, Danish and Norwegian).

It seems that four out of six books will be published in Sweden. I have no idea whether they will be available outside Sweden, but considering that Swedish is an official language of Finland, I would be surprised if they wouldn't be available in Finland.

No books are published in Denmark.

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#25 2010-01-19 09:27

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Re: 2009 U.S. Disney Comics sales report

Thanks, Stefan, for the info. I'll have to check out those options. I really hope the decision to not to publish is not yet definite.

Timo

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